Date: 2003-12-04
Location: Quintin’s Neighbourhood
Logged By: Tink
Christoph05:
Hi elion, Tweek
Michael Engberg:
Talking to the DRC boys getting this hood up to speed.
Quintin:
First off, we have rules to this meeting, no one flames,, we all must be reasonable, ok
Christoph05:
agreed. where shall we gather?
Tweek:
Quintin, fine with me Im sick and tired of people screaming at the DRC
Quintin:
near the fountain
Michael Engberg:
Can someone open the link room door?
Arnium:
That’s how it should Be!
Quintin:
it is the grand meeting place
Quintin:
I say that Chris should go first.
Quintin:
Meet up by the fountain, please if you would like to.
Michael Engberg:
Just to let you know I wasn’t even planning for a meeting tonight, so I might be short
Quintin:
Say your peace. come on
Quintin:
Are you for or against the DRC or the third side
Michael Engberg:
Quintin, I think you need to open the door ..if you can
Tweek:
Hey Quintin, can you open the linking room door?
Arnium:
Shorah Tweek, Tink
Christoph05:
I am mainly on the neutral side, however I would like to help the DRC if they change some things
Quintin:
I cannot open the door, let me try later please. or
Quintin:
Michael what do yo have to say to that…
Ford Prefect:
the other side is open
Michael Engberg:
sides.. everyone is talking about sides down here..
Ford Prefect starts to laugh
Quintin:
I am giving Micheal a chance
Michael Engberg:
Let me place the nexus book and then I’ll start the meeting
Quintin:
Come on Micheal, I am sorry that the meeting attendance is out of control
Ford Prefect:
i meant the otehr door
Taliametris:
Everyone has been told that they must choose sides so naturally they talk about it
bonz:
this is d`ni how do we all work togather
Tweek:
Im gonna take the side of soem random lamp..we alone will light the cavern bwuhahah…erm or not
Taliametris:
I’m sorry I do not understand what you mean
Taliametris:
I arrived late
Ford Prefect:
do you stand at a 45 degree angle often?
Tink:
Saw the Nexus book come into the room
Michael Engberg:
Tink I placed it there..
Quintin:
Ok I would like to name names as to who is stirring up trouble.
Michael Engberg:
OKay lets sit
Tweek:
I should see about playing more heek later
Michael Engberg:
First off how is everyone doing?
Arnium:
Talia is having communication problems
Quintin:
lets all greet the guest
Michael Engberg:
no need to call me sir, I’m michael
Rodnik:
sorry i call alot of people sir for no reason
Elion:
how do i sit down?
Michael Engberg:
I’ve heard rumors about divisions, on the DRC site and down here.
Michael Engberg:
It worries me,
Ford Prefect:
ive heard rumors about the green lights
Rodnik:
i think its silly
Michael Engberg:
Green lights?
Ford Prefect:
the green lights here having an effect on something
Michael Engberg:
again I wasn’t really planning a “DRC” Meeting, just kind of want to hear your concerns
Taliametris:
People have been encouraged to think that they must choose sides, and therefore it is the course of much talk
Michael Engberg:
the divisions , sides, what ever you would like to call them does worry me
Taliametris:
and that leads naturally to people taking u p positions
Rodnik:
i think the majority of people really would like to keep the issue of sides out of it
Taliametris:
And that has led to some division
Rodnik:
there are those that wish to force opinions
Taliametris:
Yes - I agree
Michael Engberg:
like I have said before we are all family down here
Tweek:
the sides choosing thing is annoying me…people are being sneaky trying to get otthers in trouble..and being rude and impatient..
Michael Engberg:
and even in family you will have people who disagree
Taliametris:
it is about power
Tweek:
Dont think many people realise that to make this restoration work we must get along
bonz:
michael did i realy see you walk over to the fountian and turn on the water??
bonz:
when i first got here
Michael Engberg:
Tweek, exactly, I think if we agree that we can
disagree . Life will go alot easier
Taliametris:
the anti-DRC faction want power over the explorers
John_Drake:
Michale, you could difuse the Sharper situation. After all he was only following the DRC’s guidlines by getting rid of a dangerious creature. There have been unconfirmed reports of Shroomie attacks on explorers
Taliametris:
to use against the DRC
Tweek:
John> yes the shroomie thing has gotten way out of hand
Michael Engberg:
talia, I hate jumping tte assuming
Taliametris:
I do not want to take sides, they seem equally unknown
Michael Engberg:
what I mean is I hate to assume
Taliametris:
It is an ongoing process that is damaging
Tweek:
Rodnik> Oh some of them have trust me
Michael Engberg:
Bonz, yes I turned on the water. Talked to some of THe DRC boys via KI and they turned it on.
Tweek:
when back on the surface I have read some of the views of others and its obvious they have choosen
John_Drake:
If you find the time Michael, the water in the Village is still off too
Taliametris:
Not all of them are quiet
Michael Engberg:
so basicly, all i have to say lets all get along..
Ford Prefect:
also, the island pages are missing all over, but there may be a reason for thta
Arnium:
Let’s keep on topic folks.
bonz:
i think th as explores we need to stay togather and not let them take away the ouly power we have
Tweek:
well I for one agree with those sentiments Michael
John_Drake:
We are, most of us, trying
Taliametris:
I agree with that
Michael Engberg:
I know people are not always going to agree with the DRC, but if you get to know us and understand us better I think you will see we are not that bad.
Tweek:
I admit I do find you sometimes over cautious..if I spelt that correctly..but I can see why you do put such a meaning on safty down here..its very dangerous
Arnium:
Enlighten us then, what are your goals/plans for the exploration of D’ni. In general terms?
Tweek:
but I do feel that people need to be patient..demanding that area to be opened is only going to cause accidents
Michael Engberg:
Tweek, yes, we have been , but then look at our past. Fight Branch, phil going somewhere we had no clue of where. There are unknown dangers all around us.
Tweek:
what happened to Branch?
Taliametris:
Why is he so reluctant to talk to you?
John_Drake:
I agree, there are no first aid kits that I have seen
Tweek:
we have been lucky that Phil is…erm ok
Taliametris:
I mean Phil Henderson
Michael Engberg:
I wish I knew..
Tweek:
Talia> Phil has things he needs to do..like some of us..he’ll speak when he feels it is time
Ford Prefect:
I know that theres not much that can be done about it now, but I think the “sides” kinda stemed from when Yesha told us to “wear our shirts to show what side we had taken, when sides are taken”
Tweek:
yes, silly lady hehe
Michael Engberg:
Everyone wants to know the “Plan”
Arnium:
The present “choice” does not seem to include Yeesha?
Taliametris:
No - we should have a say. The plan should be One which is inclusive of the explorers
Tweek:
Ah come come Michael thats a genralization..not everyone whats to know the plan
John_Drake:
But some hints would be nice
Michael Engberg:
The plan is to continue to work like the DRC has always needed to.
Tweek:
Talia> true..but it is still early days yet
To Michael Engberg:
Can I post the chatlog … on Greeter’s Guild forum?
Michael Engberg:
I have been in Er’cana ..
louis.cyphre beginnt zu laut lachen
Michael Engberg:
tink yes..
Taliametris:
If there was more open ness on all sides it would be less easy for people to divide us
Michael Engberg:
Dr. Laxman has been working so so had, and infact might need your help sometime.
Tweek:
I think out of all the “sides” Ive spoken to Phil has been the most forthcoming..DRC next..
Tweek:
I have yet to meet Laxman.
Michael Engberg:
opps I mean Mr.
Michael Engberg:
He’s more of a doctor in the meaning of life. :)
Taliametris:
I think that the people here are the best thing about the Cavern…and we shoudl fight hard to conserve what we have
Taliametris:
while fighting for the chance to be involved in the
Michael Engberg:
So here is a question to you all, how does the DRC be more open?
Taliametris:
and to be involved - I do not like secrecy and lack of openness
Taliametris:
all is promises about the future
Taliametris:
Things happen and are not explained
Taliametris:
thus rumours start
Ford Prefect:
maybe put messages on the imager as to what type of progress is being made in opening a new age/area
Taliametris:
green lights - good example
John_Drake:
one at a time now, not all at once
Rodnik:
like why the pub at the ferry was closed down suddenly
Michael Engberg:
Things like what Talia?
Taliametris:
loss of nexus links today…maybe a bug…maybe not
Taliametris:
the loss of relto pages
Taliametris:
vanishing bahro stones
Taliametris:
areas closed off that were open
Michael Engberg:
Talia, nexus links has a KI message.
Taliametris:
there are many questions
Taliametris:
and few answers
Arnium:
I am not so sure that the DRC has control over all of these things?
LaReh:
Some DRC have been almost condescending to explorers, that doesn’t help your cause
Taliametris:
Perhaps not - but it is hard to discern much information in the audiences we have been granted
John_Drake:
When a people get used to somthing and that something is taken away that tends to get them upset
Arnium:
I thought we were talking about stopping the division, not about how everything here is not working properly!
Tweek:
Michael> how goes Dr Kodama’s proposal?
Michael Engberg:
Talk to Dr. K about more info, he wants to release it all. I am in the middle ground.
Taliametris:
It is all part of the same thing which allows people to discuss things without real basis for their discussion
Rodnik:
the reason there is a devision or one of them is because the drc doesnt explain itself as much as they could/should, we are explaining how the drc could be more open
Ford Prefect:
could people please shout? we are not hearing everyone
Tweek:
to much info too soon can be difficult..if you are to release information its sometimes best to release it in stages
Michael Engberg:
exactly tweek
Taliametris:
I do not want to have to choose sides, if that is part of the plan, I do not want it
Michael Engberg:
Talia, I don’t want you to choose sides either. I want everyone to be a family, one big family
Taliametris:
That is how it has been
Taliametris:
But things seem to be changing
Arnium:
Daddy! Can I have the keys to the library?
Michael Engberg:
So, here is the problem, some areas are just not ready.
Tweek:
Talia> Change happens…whether good or bad it happens..the thing is we know change is comming so its up to us to shape it into how things should be
Michael Engberg:
Bonz, island page?
Taliametris:
That is what I am trying to do
Deg:
What are the terms to clasify an area as ready? Aren’t explorers smart enough to explore carefully?
Taliametris:
Tweek unless we stand up for unity among the explorers, it will be changed too
Michael Engberg:
So here is an example,
Tweek:
Bonz> you may wanna speak to Henderson about that
Tweek:
Talia> Yes I agree with that
Arnium:
Micheal, does the DRC feel that we are not qualified enough to be explores?
Michael Engberg:
yesterday we opened the courtyard, we gave you a few days notice. People waited ..
Tweek:
Im not qualificated…Im only an Artist and webmast ^_^
Tweek:
yes its nice to beable to get back up to the courtyard
Michael Engberg:
As soon as we opened the area, some people went and jumped on top of the tent.
Deg:
Yes, Tweek. But you also have common sense not to get over your head. Explorers should be able to judge weither areas are safe or not.
Arnium:
Thank you Micael, I believe you have answered my question.
Strife:
has the drc had any complaints from people falling off the tent?
Ford Prefect:
who would do such a thing? *cough*
Deg:
Hmm… That is unfortunate. You would think the people that are “called to D’ni” would be smarter than to jump on tents.
Tweek:
Deg> perhaps..but are explorers structual engineers? can they see what cracks in buildings can prove to be a hazard under the weight of 30 odd people?
Michael Engberg:
Arnium, here is my question to you. Do you feel all explorers are qualified?
Arnium:
?shout I am not sure about my qualifications, only about my “callin”.
Strife:
the real issue is that the drc doesn’t want leet explorers, or explorers with special access
Daedalus:
who’s to say who is “qualified,” exactly, Michael? Can anyone really have that kind of say?
Christoph05:
I feel that the qualified will help the underqualified if there are any under.
Michael Engberg:
I think everyone here has the potential to be someone great. I hope we all try our hardest at it.
Michael Engberg:
I think you all make fine explorers
Tweek:
yes..Tweek Ruler of D’ni has a great ring to it…
Tweek:
woops did I just let that slip
Beefo laRue:
The problem I see is that the DRC dictates all action it’s a dictatorship. What say do the explorers have, in the shaping of the new D’ni?
Taliametris:
That has been characteristic so far - that the more
experienced have helped the less experienced
Taliametris:
as a group we are qualified
Michael Engberg:
Beefo, we will need your help
Deg:
Perhaps if more explorers could assist in the restoration, we’d have less time on our hands to jump on tents.
Taliametris:
No Yeesha let us
Arnium:
We assume that the DRC is the true power here?
Taliametris:
not the DRC?
Daedalus:
Who can really say who is “qualified”, Michael? Can anyone really have that kind of say?
Tweek:
there is no true power…
Beefo laRue:
thats perhaps a harsh term. I don’t mean to confir the negotive conotations
Tweek:
unless one believes in the maker
Strife:
I have been wondering what help could the explorers give to the rebuilding of dni?
Michael Engberg:
Everyone… listen please. To shape D’ni the drc can not do it alone. We will need your help
Beefo laRue:
agreed the question is how
Michael Engberg:
Yep, just not yet.. We are getting things in place, making the Ki work.
Arnium:
Michael, we do not want to help you, we want to join you.
Christoph05:
a Willing and Volunteer workforce
Deg:
Example: when explorers helped Victor track down Phil.
Michael Engberg:
Setting up hoods, we know there will be many who want to help.
Tweek:
Think of it like this…a baby when learning to walk nee
Tweek:
sorry about that wrong people
Michael Engberg:
Think of it this way, say we all wanted to help set up play
Strife:
could we reserve the concert hall if we did set up a play?
Ford Prefect:
yes, the play is the thing, the verry thing
Tweek:
could do Romeo and Julliet of D’ni…plent of balconies ;)
The World:
quintin> I don’t believe anyone needs to ‘take over’ really. there’s a pretty good Q&A session going on here. ;)
Christoph05:
I would like to see the curtains come down, just let us see what you are doing, we will be careful
Michael Engberg:
say 100,000 wanted to help at once. The DRC needs to just make it easier for each and everyone of you to do your part.
LaReh:
Once the KI is working, we can play marker games and quests to pass the time until we are needed for exploration
Tweek:
yes..esspecially if strife remakes his marker game
Michael Engberg:
if 1000,00 people try to build the set at once, chaos happens.. do you agree?
Taliametris:
If you give 1000 people nothing much to do, chaos ensues
Christoph05:
Are you implying there will be positions “given” to us? Not chosen by us?
Michael Engberg:
Chris I think you will see more and more, its just hard to restore and also tell everything
Arnium:
IMO he is saying that the DRC intends to be the governing body in the caern.
Strife:
i think what is the biggest problem is that we the explorers haven’t done anything to help, except give feedback on what does & doesn’t work
Taliametris:
Is alreay fulfilling that role, Arnium
Tweek:
soundslike you need a group that searches through information choosing what to release and when and to act like spokes people for the DRC
Christoph05:
Maybe you need someone in the DRC to report advancements/ changes daily michael
Strife:
i haven’t seen one explorer pick up a cone and place it where it needs to go
Michael Engberg:
no way am I saying we want to govern the cavern
Christoph05:
that should be all they are supposed to do
Strife:
only kick them around.
Michael Engberg:
I really must leave, but again all I really wanted to say is lets all try to be family, and lets all try to get along.
Arnium:
?shout that was not necessarily a criticism Michael.
Tweek:
Michael, do you know when the nexus links will be back?
Arnium:
?shout thank you micheal
Strife:
i agree with you michael and thanks for your time
Tweek:
I think the DRC are learning tho…I mean look how much the talk to us now to how much they used to
Ford Prefect:
did someone log this?
Ayli:
How long Mr. Engberg been talking?
Tweek:
to turn the water on
Taliametris:
I would like to know the answer to that Envie
To Michael Engberg:
Thanks for the talk session, MR Engberg …will go a long way to calming randomly choppy waters.
From Michael Engberg in Nexus:
you really think so?
To Michael Engberg:
Anything you’d like to add to the chatlog?
To Michael Engberg:
Yes I do … it didn’t sound like it … but
you’d be surprised at how the loudest objections get changed afterwards
From Michael Engberg in Nexus:
just tell them I stink of talking in big crowds
To Michael Engberg:
I know I feel sorry about making the remarks I did
To Michael Engberg:
You did great tonight … the background chatter will always be there … but we do connect the dots
To Michael Engberg:
Tink’ll leave ya be now